FACILITIES MANAGEMENT JOURNAL JOBS 
 FM CAREERS - CAREER LADDER  
 FM is known to be a career that people fall into  
 from other sectors. In this regular column, FMJ  
 chats to a facilities professional about how they  
 got into the sector and takes a look at their  
 career path. This month we talk to Spencer Rock,  
 Chief Operating Offi cer, Tivoli Group Limited. 
 Name: Spencer Rock  
 Current role: 
 Chief Operating Offi cer, 
 Tivoli Group Limited 
 Lives: Cheshire 
  What first attracted you to  
 working in FM, did you have much  
 awareness of the profession?  
 I initially trained as an accountant and  
 was looking to relocate to the North  
 West in 2000 when a position came  
 up for a Finance Manager working  
 for a company called Parkman. They  
 subsequently merged with Mouchel and  
 then became part of Kier. 
  How did you progress through  
 the profession to your current role?  
 Parkman was an interesting proving  
 ground! Although I was mostly in  
 Finance, the company went through  
 a lot of change in the three or four  
 years I was there – a management  
 buy out, flotation, an acquisition and  
 then ultimately the merger between  
 themselves and Mouchel. I then joined  
 Mitie as their Head of Finance for the  
 Northern Cleaning division. 
 Following three years, I was o ered  
 the position of Finance Director for the  
 cleaning division on an interim basis  
 working largely in Bristol, becoming  
 Commercial Director for the division,  
 and then taking on the responsibility for  
 all of the relationship management of  
 the large national accounts, along with  
 the transport, retail, waste, pest and  
 landscaping sectors. That is where I truly  
 started to understand what good FM  
 businesses could deliver, and the pitfalls  
 of what can go wrong. 
 A« er half a decade in that position,  
 I moved into a group role working for  
 Suzanne Baxter, the Mitie CFO at the time  
 who used my experience in finance and  
 operations to solve business “problems”.  
 It was all very interesting, but ultimately  
 I wanted direct ownership/control of  
 a business which is why, when the  
 opportunity at Tivoli came along, it really  
 resonated with what I wanted to do.   
  What have you found the most  
 challenging experiences working in  
 FM? 
 I would say it’s the unravelling of what  
 can be termed “onerous contracts”  
 and making them commercially viable.  
 There is never a ‘one size fits all’ solution,  
 but invariably the resolution comes  
 from a mix of restructuring resources,  
 commercial negotiations, and common  
 sense from both parties. Generally, this  
 gets things back on track. However  
 there have a been a few occasions when  
 all of the above just doesn’t work, so  
 finding a way to exit a contract without  
 impacting the client and probably more  
 importantly, the sta  who work on the  
 ground, can be challenging. 
  What have you found most  
 satisfying about working in the  
 sector? 
 For me it’s seeing progress and resolving  
 problems. Back in 2012, Mitie had a  
 large financial services contract that  
 was on the brink of going out to tender.  
 The client needed savings, so I and  
 the dedicated team met with them on  
 a weekly basis to come up with some  
 ideas and changes that would save them  
 around 6-7 per cent on the contract.  
  Are you a member of any FM  
 association or body and if so what  
 benefits do you think they provide? 
 Tivoli is a member of the British  
 Association of Landscaping Industries  
 (BALI). Sharing ideas, experiences  
 and best practice is invaluable.  
 I still personally retain my ACMA  
 qualifications, which I’ve found  
 invaluable and has allowed me to  
 bridge the gap between “financial” and  
 “operational” camps. 
  What qualities do you think are  
 most needed for a successful career  
 in FM? 
 A couple of things really – anyone who  
 wants to be a success needs to be  
 “bombproof” and have an ability to  
 juggle multiple things at once. Secondly,  
 there’s always days when everything  
 seems to go wrong and you want to go  
 home and hide away, but you need to  
 have the gumption to get up the next  
 day, dust yourself down and start again.  
  What has changed about your  
 job role since the COVID-19 crisis?  
 E.g. home working, furloughed,  
 redeployed? 
 The most important part of my  
 job has become the frequency of  
 communication with my direct team,  
 and ensuring they stay safe and that  
 they aren’t su ering from “study fatigue”.  
 I can’t stress enough the importance of  
 staying aware of the changing nature of  
 challenges for all employees, whether  
 that’s childcare/shielding issues, finding  
 places to work at home, or just the  
 simple lack of face-to-face contact. All  
 of those issues have come up this year,  
 which to be honest weren’t significant  
 considerations this time last year. 
  What is your organisation  
 doing to ensure the wellbeing of  
 sta   – whether working at home or  
 returning to the workplace? 
 Apart from the obvious stu , we’ve come  
 up with some creative solutions such  
 as buying cheap cars to follow mobile  
 teams around where we couldn’t socially  
 distance in crew cab vans. On top of this,  
 we’ve put in place a range of support  
 resources for those who are struggling  
 with the things I mentioned earlier,  
 which is done on a confidential basis via  
 outsourced professional providers. We’re  
 a sector that’s associated with being a bit  
 “gritty” and “tough”, but even the most  
 resilient workers su er from lows so it’s  
 important that  our people have access  
 to this kind of support to get them  
 through these tough times.     
  Do you believe the pandemic has  
 highlighted the important role of the  
 FM sector and what areas do you see  
 as most key?  
 I’m bound to focus on green spaces of  
 course! Throughout the pandemic our  
 teams on the ground have certainly seen  
 the parks and green spaces we service  
 being occupied to a far greater extent  
 than ever before. We’ve received some  
 fantastic feedback about our work, so I’d  
 hope in small part we’ve helped to make  
 the lockdowns a little more bearable for  
 the general public.  
  What advice would you give to  
 someone coming into the profession  
 now? 
 Jump into it - especially if you want  
 variety in your working life and are  
 prepared to do the “hard yards”. I’ve  
 seen some of the most amazing places  
 around the UK, presented awards with  
 Jack Whitehall, and met some genuinely  
 humbling people in doing so. The  
 commitment of people in FM never fails  
 to impress me day in day out. 
  Which of your achievements  
 are you most proud of during your  
 career?  
 It’s fair to say, my role at Tivoli and seeing  
 the business develop over the past two  
 years has been amazing. The team we  
 have here has grown so much over that  
 time - both in terms of knowledge and  
 the way they conduct themselves and  
 operate. I’m genuinely staggered by  
 the progress we have made so far, and  
 am looking forward to welcoming our  
 colleagues from Sodexo HS into the fold  
 in February 2021 following our recent  
 acquisition. 
  What do you predict could be the  
 main changes to the FM sector post  
 pandemic? 
 We’re a resilient bunch in FM – our raison  
 d’etre is to solve problems on a daily  
 basis, but I’m sure none of us would  
 have expected what we’re going through  
 now. The major change I see is there will  
 be many di erent ways of working, with  
 more emphasis put on sta ’s work/life  
 balance where possible - I believe that’s  
 one of the few positives to have come  
 out of the pandemic. Let’s hope 2021  
 sees the end of it, and we can get back  
 to normal. 
 Would you, or someone you know, like to be featured in our career ladder column? If you’re an operational  
 FM with more than 10 years’ experience in the sector, then email sara.bean@kpmmedia.co.uk  
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